Monday, September 22, 2014

Are pro-lifers just pro-birth?

So, I saw this meme and it got me thinking...


While I get where this person is coming from but...let's look at some stats gleaned from Googling "Breast Cancer Statistics" and clicking on a breast cancer website...

- breast cancer is a leading cause of death in women


- about 40,000 women die per year of breast cancer

- chance of getting breast cancer is 1 in 8

- "not having children or having them later in life" makes you more susceptible to breast cancer

- "not breast feeding" makes you more susceptible to breast cancer

- "Women who have a full-term pregnancy before age 20 have a lower risk of breast cancer than women who never have a full-term pregnancy or who have their first full-term pregnancy after the age of 30 or 35."

- "The risk of breast cancer also goes down as the number of full-term pregnancies goes up."

- "Each year, nearly 1.2 million American women have an abortion to end a pregnancy."

- "induced abortions" makes you more susceptible to breast cancer

I don't have "stats" for this off the internet but life experience has shown me that women generally choose abortion for their babies because they're not "ready" to have a baby which means...they don't have what they need to make caring for a live baby possible. They don't have abortions because they want to...but because they feel like they have to. 

(As in they feel like they have no choice. Ironic.)

Totally generally/stereotypically speaking, also...I've noticed in life that those who are pro-choice (legalized-abortion) are also pro-welfare (caring for the poor) and pro-government-healthcare...and consider themselves to be pro-women... 

(and fyi I'm not saying those people are bad! But, it is "those types" of people who create and like memes like the one above.)

SO...

Why...given all the facts above about the risks of women dying of breast cancer...when a woman is faced with a pregnancy in her youth (which according to the stats is protection against breast cancer)...why aren't the pro-women/welfare/healthcare-ers all over these women encouraging them for their health to keep those babies...and then stay home and nurse those babies? 

Why aren't they doing whatever they can...to get the gov't and the communities we all live in to do whatever they can to make it possible for these women to not have to give in to the desperation of "having" to get an abortion and put their futures at risk??

The above meme accuses "Republicans" of not wanting to spend the $ to support these women but...what are the "Democrats" doing...to support these desperate women so that they don't "have not other choice" but to choose to put themselves at risk for being the one of the 1 in 8 dying young of breast cancer?

Feeling like you "have no choice" but to abort...is hardly a choice. And, no one who believes themselves to be pro-"choice" should be in favor of anyone having an abortion because they felt it was the "only choice." You must have at least 2 options in order for something to be a choice...

Could it be that both Democrats and Republicans are actually...having the same reaction to these mother's plights but using different terminology so that they can feel superior to the other side?

I think that both Democrats and Republicans have the same number of mothers in their communities and neighborhoods who are desperate enough to have an abortion. And, so if according to the above meme those who proclaim to be pro-life are really just pro-birth because they do nothing to promote the lives of the beings in question...then what are either of the two sides doing to help these women that will actually make that side truly pro-life?

Look all across the US at pregnancy centers/clinics which serve women who are in this desperate situation. What do you see? And, what stereotypical types of people do you find working in, volunteering for, and supporting financially those clinics? That would tell you something...

My experience says that there are two different types of clinics in the USA that have open doors for mothers in crisis pregnancies...

- abortion clinics

- pro-life crisis pregnancy centers 

Both offer a desperate mother help in their situation. How do those clinics differ and how?

One offers to help in your desperate situation by...enabling you to get that baby out of your body and dispose of it before that baby is able to become a financial burden...putting you at higher risk of breast cancer in the future...as the solution to your problem and is staffed by paid pro-choicers and Democrats (stereotypically).

One offers to help you in your desperate situation by... helping you find ways to be able to keep that baby inside your body until it comes out naturally by helping you find resources to be able to get help with food, clothing, and a place to live with that baby...reducing your risk of dying of breast cancer someday...as the solution to your problem and is staffed by volunteers who are stereotypically Republicans and Christians.

me in 1987...age 17

I was once 17 and pregnant and desperate. I'd been college-prep my whole school career and was told that if I didn't abort I was out on my own...bye-bye college. Lots of pro-choice people advised me in what to do. 100% of them told me to, "Just get rid of it." Not one...offered to help me make any other choice than that.

At the abortion clinic...they told me how simple and easy it was to just remove the tissue with their little pinky-sized cannula. (They never told me what "it" was...and Google wasn't around yet for me to find out on my own.)

Two weeks later when I'd chosen to lose my future instead of depriving my baby of hers...the doctor at my 1st prenatal visit told me that the "tissue" that would have been neatly removed by that pinky-sized cannula 2 weeks prior...was the size of my fist. I asked him how an abortion gets it out? He simply responded, "Think about it..."

I didn't think about it. I was 17, out on my own for my Senior year of HS, living with my boyfriend, working 4 nights a week making $80/week and trying to survive. I was a mess.

Years later I thought about it...standing at a non-profit organization's information table at the mall picking up pamphlets with my now 6-year-old daughter that described what actually happens during an abortion. I was shocked. Why had I not been informed about what I almost was doing? Why had no one told me?

So, after that I chose to get involved. I volunteered for years for a crisis pregnancy center in the 90's. The clinic volunteers donated money, time, food (formula) and found homes for girls who didn't want to have an abortion but were desperate enough to have one. We organized fund-raising events and did walks and had yard sales. We invested a lot of our own time, money, and lives to help women be able to choose life...beyond the day they gave birth.

More than one of my "Republican" friends took girls into their homes and took money out of their pay checks every week...so a desperate mom could choose life...And, my husband and I purposely chose our 1st home based on the fact that it had an apartment in the basement that we could use for the same reason.

I guess you can draw your own conclusions...


But, back to this meme above...considering the definition of "birth" is, "the emergence of a baby or other young from the body of its mother"...really...abortion by definition is a form of birth





So, to make this meme more accurate...pro-lifers may lack in the areas noted but they are pro-live-birth...and the other side would be pro-non-live-birth.

Simple. Sad.


Wednesday, June 25, 2014

What do you clothe yourself in?

I was just thinking about "love" and how God IS love and what being a Christian REALLY means.

Romans 13:14...put on the Lord Jesus Christ...

What would that mean? And, what would that look like?

If you become...a police officer...a judge...a nurse...when people see you in that uniform they all immediately know what you are, right?

So, if you become a Christian...people should look at how you "clothe yourself" and see immediately that you are a Christian...true?

So, what would a Christian's "uniform" look like...and how would it be perceived?

I mean, when you look at a police officer's uniform... usually, you don't stand back, mouth agape and exclaim, "How beautiful!" True?

The church is described as "the bride of Christ" and we're instructed to "put on the Lord Jesus Christ..."

So...

Normally, when a woman puts on a wedding gown...(or any kind of fancy gown, really)...and presents herself after getting dressed...the whole room full of people will stop what they're doing and take a deep breath and you will hear a lot of,  "ooooohs" and "ahhhhhs" and fuss over how BEAUTIFUL the woman looks! Sometimes people will even be moved to get tears in their eyes seeing their loved ones all "dressed up." Right?

Even a woman who is not considered to be "beautiful" under normal circumstances...will make everyone simply go "wow" seeing her all dressed up...

Why is this? 

Romans 1 says everything we wanna know about God is glaringly obvious in the Creation around us...so what does this mean that the majority of humans are awed by the sight of a woman all dressed up like that?

Colossians 3:12 ...put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you. Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity. 

As the "bride of Christ" if a person puts on Christ...they should look and be so beautiful inside that it would move people to tears...

So, when it comes to church...i
f the modern church was truly putting on Christ...like them or not...the world would look at them and be struck by their beauty...

Is that what we see in the world? Is that what non-Christians think of when they think of "Christians?" Or, is this what they see?

Protesting and pointing out stuff you think God hates...


Hitting/spanking helpless children in God's name...

Pointing fingers at everyone else's sin...

Do you see beauty here?
Then you don't see Christ.

This is how you clothe yourself in religion.
Religion isn't beautiful because it is focused on "sin"...

Christ, however, is focused on love...and therefore is beautiful...

A person focused on Christ, who IS love, will be beautiful, too...

Loving your neighbor as yourself...is beautiful...

Doing unto others as you'd have them do unto you is beautiful...

Like Romans 1 says...the truth is obvious...

Job 40:10
“Adorn yourself with eminence and dignity, And clothe yourself with honor and majesty."

Ephesians 4:24
...put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.

1 Peter 3:3
Your adornment must not be merely external...but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God...

What do you clothe yourself in? Your church doctrine? Your church? Or Christ?

The truth is obvious...

Sunday, May 25, 2014

I am an NIV-never!

I am totally "against" the use of the term "sinful nature" ever...and this is why...

It it not a term that is in the Bible. It is in some versions...but it is not in the original writing of the Bible.

I am not a KJV-only person. But, I am an NIV-never person. (I use mostly the NASB)

Below, you will see one big reason why. The NIV is a transliteration...not a translation. They took great liberties all through the whole Bible with "translation." 

In the NT there is a Greek word, "sarx" which simply means, "flesh" that the NIV has "translated" to mean like 10 different things...in order to suit their doctrinal position which they have promoted throughout their work. 

I've used examples from four other translations to show that it's not about a battle about which Bible version is "best" but rather to demonstrate that the NIV is not a reliable source of God's Word.

(This is from a document I did back when I only blogged in ranting essays on my computer.)




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Take note in that the other translations will faithfully translate the one word "sarx" in the NT which means "flesh" as "flesh", but, the NIV uses a variety of different translations to suit their doctrine.

Romans 7:5
NIV  For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death.

NASB For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at workinthe members of our body to bear fruit for death.

KJV  For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

LITV (Literal)  For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sin were working in our members through the Law for the bearing of fruit unto death.

Webster’s  For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit to death:

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Romans 7:18
NIV  I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.

NASB  For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not

KJV  For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 

LITV (Literal)  For I know that in me, that is in my flesh, dwells no good. For to will is present to me, but to work out the good I do not find.

Webster’s  For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good, I find not.

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Romans 8:4-6
NIV  (and so he condemned sin in sinful man) in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind that natureof sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; 

NASB  (He condemned sin in the flesh,) so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,

KJV  That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the do mind the things of the fleshflesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 

LITV (Literal)  so that the righteous demand of the Law might be fulfilled in us, those not walking according to flesh, but according to Spirit. For the ones that are according to flesh mind the things of the flesh. And the ones according to Spirit mind the things of the Spirit. For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace; 

Webster’s  That the righteousness of the law may be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For they that are according to the flesh, do mind the things of the flesh: but they that are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace:  

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If "sinful nature" was a valid translation of the word "sarx" they would be able to use it here...but it would obviously make no sense so they chose "the body." But, is "sarx" your body...or your mysterious "sinful nature?"
Philippians 1:22
NIV  If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me.

NASB  But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose.

KJV  But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

LITV (Literal)  But if I live in the flesh, this to me is fruit of my labor, and what I shall choose I do not know.

Webster’s  But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labor: yet what I shall choose I know not.

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Again, does the NIV find "the body" to be synonymous with "sinful nature" or not? Obviously, "the body" and "sinful nature" are NOT synonyms, yet, they are derived from the same word, "sarx" (which the Bible says that Jesus had.)

Philippians 1:24
NIV  But it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body.

NASB  yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake.

KJV  yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake.

LITV (Literal)  but to remain in the flesh is more necessary on account of you.

Webster’s  Nevertheless, to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

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Here the NIV is forced to use the translation "flesh" because it is the only thing that does make sense here. 

Actually, if you were to use "sinful nature" here as the NIV uses other places for the translation of the same word, "sarx" you'll see it would make NO sense at all...because it is not a valid translation of that word.
Philippians 3:3-4
NIV  For it is we who are the circumcision we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the – though I myself have reasons for such confidence. If anyone else thinks he has reasons to put confidence in the fleshflesh, I have more;

NASB for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God andglory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in theflesh, although I myself might have confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else has a mind to put confidence in the flesh, I far more:

KJV  For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

LITV (Literal)  or we are the circumcision, the ones who worship by the Spirit of God, and who glory in Christ Jesus, and who do not trust in flesh. Even though I might have trust in flesh; if any other thinks to trust in flesh, I more;

Webster’s  For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in theflesh. Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath reason to trust in the flesh, I more:

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Now, the NIV must use "flesh" for the word they use to say, "sinful nature" because again...to translate this with "sinful nature" would be ridiculous...
Colossians 1:24
NIV  Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

NASB  Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in myflesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions.

KJV  Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church:

LITV (Literal)  who now rejoice in my sufferings on your behalf and fill up in my flesh the things lacking of the afflictions of Christ on behalf of His body, which is the assembly,

Webster’s  Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

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The word here they translate "the body" is the very same word "sarx" which they have translated in many many previous verses to be "sinful nature"...but oh look who has a "sarx=sinful nature" then?? 

1 Timothy 3:16
NIV  Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations.

NASB  By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

KJV  And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

LITV (Literal)  And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in flesh, was justified in Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

Webster’s  And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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Philemon 16
NIV  No longer as a slave, but better than a slave, as a dear brother. He is very dear to me but even dearer to you, both as a man and as a brother in the Lord.

NASB no longer as a slave, but more than a slave, a beloved brother, especially to me, but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord.

KJV  Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord? 

LITV (Literal)  no longer as a slave, but beyond a slave, a beloved brother, especially to me, and how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord.

Webster’s  Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more to thee, both in theflesh, and in the Lord?

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1 Peter 3:18
NIV  For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit.

NASB  For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

KJV  For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 

LITV (Literal)  Because even Christ once suffered concerning sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God; indeed being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit;

Webster’s  For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Spirit:

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According to the NIV...we have a sarx which = "sinful nature" but Jesus who had a sarx...did not. Doesn't it make more sense and require less hoop-jumping to simply say we had a flesh just like Jesus...and that the only difference between our flesh and His is that He never chose to sin and we did. 
1 Peter 4:1-2
NIV  Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin. As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

NASB  Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.

KJV  Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

LITV (Literal)  Therefore, Christ having suffered for us in the flesh, also you arm yourselves with the same thought, because he having suffered in the flesh has been made to rest from sin, 2  for him no longer to live in the lusts of men, but to live the remaining time in the flesh in the will of God. 

Webster’s  Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

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And, try to swap the NIV's synonym for "flesh" and insert, "sinful nature" where they put "flesh." It doesn't work.

1 John 4:2
NIV  This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.

NASB  By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

KJV  Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 

LITV (Literal)  By this know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God.

Webster’s  By this ye know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ hath come in the flesh, is from God:

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They are forced to use the word "flesh" here because to use their synonym "sinful nature" would be ludicrous...and if it is not appropriate here it is not appropriate anywhere. They do it other places because it suits their doctrine...which means they have altered the word of God. They have introduced something to the Bible that is not in it.

2 John 7
NIV  Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

NASB  For many deceivers havegone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and theantichrist.

KJV  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

LITV (Literal)  Because many deceivers went out into the world, those not confessing Jesus Christ to have come in the flesh, this is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Webster’s  For many deceivers have entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver, and an antichrist.

And, could it be that the NIV is denying that Jesus came in the flesh "sarx"...the very SAME same same flesh that we humans are all born with by promoting their doctrine of "original sin". They have separated our "flesh" from Jesus' flesh. This verse says that those who deny that He came in the same "sarx" as you or I did...is an antichrist.

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This is not about the word "sarx" but on the topic of sin and how the NIV has altered the Bible...

Who in this verse is the sinner? If you know your Bible you know that David was the only son to his father via his mom. His mom was not the mom of the other brothers. And, that information confirms what the other 4 versions tell you about who the sinner is who is being referred to...and the NIV isn't even close! They totally just made it up! 

Psalm 51:5  
NIV  Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

NASB  Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

KJV  Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. 

LITV (Literal)  Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.

Webster’s  Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
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Now, first read this...

Ezekiel 18:14-20 (NASB)
Now behold, he has a son who has observed all his father’s sins which he committed, and observing does not do likewise. He does not eat at the mountain shrines or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, or defile his neighbor’s wife, or oppress anyone, or retain a pledge, or commit robbery, but he gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with clothing, he keeps his hand from the poor, does not take interest or increase, but executes My ordinances, and walks in My statutes; he will not die for his father’s iniquity, he will surely live. As for his father, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was not good among his people, behold, he will die for his iniquity Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity?’ When the son has practiced justice and righteousness and has observed all My statutes and done them, he shall surely live. The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

And, tell me if God contradicts Himself? What kind of God would punish someone ELSE for someone ELSE'S sin???


Numbers 14:18
NIV  The Lord is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he doe not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.

NASB The Lord is slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, forgiving iniquity and transgression; but He will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the childrento the third and the fourth generations.’
  
KJV  The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty,visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. 

LITV (Literal)  Jehovah is slow to anger, and of great mercy, bearing away iniquity and transgression; and by no means will clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the sons, on the third and on the fourth generation .

Webster’s  The LORD is long-suffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation.

Are "visiting" and "punishing"...even close to the same thing???

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When do we begin to matter? The NIV was once used by a Methodist PASTOR! to prove that abortion was OK...because he didn't believe that babies got their souls till after birth!

Luke 1:15 (concerning John the Baptist)
NIV  for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy spirit even from birth.

NASB  “For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spiritwhile yet in his mother’s womb.

KJV  For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.

LITV (Literal)  For he shall be great in the eyes of the Lord, and he shall not drink wine or strong drink. And he will be filled of the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

Webster’s  For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.
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If I wrote a letter to my children for them to know me and pass on down to my grand kids and on down the line...and someone got a hold of it and did to my words what the NIV have done with God's words...I would no longer want my kids reading that letter.

These are just the errors I was able to find in my limited time...so it is definitely not a version you should ever use if you REALLY want to know what the Bible says...

If you wanna "hide God's word in your heart so you won't sin against Him" you should really make sure it's His word you're reading.






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